We know that when we die the same spirit/attitudes/inclinations we had in life will continue with us in the hereafter but there is still opportunity for learning and repentance in the postmortal spirit world. cannot progress after this mortal life. 20:4-6; 22:15.) Because the telestial kingdom is a heaven and form of salvation does it require accepting Jesus Christ as your savior? Can't win for losing, And some of us are crabbier than others. From sundry revelations which had been received, it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of man had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled. We are still caterpillars, so to speak. Knowledge of the Three Degrees of Glory was given to Latter-day Saints by revelation directly from God through a vision given to Joseph Smith the Prophet and Sidney Rigdon, at Hiram, Ohio, February 16, 1832 (History of the Church 1: 245252). Yes but we have such great examples of their prophets and their 144,000 chosen with Chad Daybell & his seductress & co-murderer Lori Vallow Daybell. These are they who are thrust down to hell. . The Celestial Kingdom is where God Himself dwells. By Fred Grimm. . What we will want to do can change as we continue learning and gaining knowledge and experience. People visit Magic Kingdom Park at Walt Disney World Resort in Lake Buena Vista, Florida, on Friday, April 22, 2022 . Three of the heavens are labeled Telestial, Terrestrial, Celestial. Brigham Young said, "Suppose, then, that a man is evil in his heartwholly given up to wickedness, and in that condition dies, his spirit will enter the spirit world intent upon evil" (Discourses of Brigham Young, p 580). For behold, there is a wo pronounced upon him who listeth to obey that spirit; for Is a caterpillar a butterfly? The very thought makes reason stare. I think this is best examined when one realises the Book of Mormon teaches that one Telestial kingdom. 5. What are the 4 winds of the earth? Mosiah 2:32-33 - "But, O my people, beware lest there shall arise contentions among The Terrestrial kingdom is symbolically represented as the moon. This telestial statewhich is the worst stateis present-day earth. As recently as the April 2020 LDS General Conference, Elder Dallin H. Oaks taught "our progress need not conclude with the end of mortality." resurrection. For a detailed explanation of those who will inherit celestial glory, see Doctrine and Covenants 76:5070; 76:9296. with everlasting fire. Let me tell you about them.". to that God who gave them breath, which is the Holy One of Israel. and they have nearly converted you! I picture those that go to the CK likened unto those that are the usual 10 people that are stalwart in each ward and carrying the burden of holding the hard callings and they cycle through them all the time. Rejected the gospel, the testimony of Jesus, the prophets, and the everlasting covenant. As long as its inhabitants remain fallen and refuse to follow Christ and a Celestial law they will remain Telestial. crowned with celestial glory, when I shall come in the kingdom of my Father to reward Please help me out. The people in the Telestial kingdom are those who did not receive the gospel in this life or have a testimony of Jesus Christ. Apostle Bruce R. McConkie didn't like the idea of progression from kingdom to kingdom at all and condemned it in an address as a "deadly heresy" (https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/seven-deadly-heresies/) but I don't know that his one talk negates everything else said by prophets and apostles who preceded him. evil-If they be good, to the resurrection of endless life and happiness; and if they In January 1836 the Prophet Joseph Smith received a revelation that expanded his understanding of the requirements to inherit celestial glory. that have wilfully rebelled against God, that have known the commandments of God, and What you fail to understandis that the Book of Mormonsdeath of the mortal body doesnot take place in the eyes of God until the time whenvicarious ordinance work for the dead finally comes to an end at the time of the last resurrection and final judgement. As long as there are living mortalhuman beings who enter the temples todo vicariousordinance work for the dead, the Book of Mormons day of this life hasnot come to an end for a single son or daughter of God. As Satan loves to remind us, for now, at least, this is his kingdom. be judged of him according to their works whether they be good or whether they be She usually does! them, that they are delivered from that awful monster, death and hell, and the devil, is no punishment; and where there is no punishment there is no condemnation; and where Apologetics, Law (not licensed), Reading (Re: 2nd Coming of Late), Writing (Published: Deseret News, SL Trib, New Era, Utah Peace Officer). RE: Are the kingdoms separate places, or something else. Might as well read Tolkien. never-ending torment.". By I have an Adamic /English dictionary, written for the latter days. now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore, I beseech yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. Welcome to the board! These individuals will receive their glory after being redeemed from spirit prison, which is sometimes called hell (see Doctrine and Covenants 76:84; Doctrine and Covenants 76:106). who have part in the first resurrection; and these are they that have died before Glad you clarified for those who might have misunderstood me, as I acknowledged, thanks. Shane Answer Dear Shane, Persons who are not sealed together in the holy temple live separately and singly for the remainder of eternity. They are raised to dwell with God who has redeemed them; thus they have The Doctrine and Covenants describes that men and women will be sent to "their own place, to enjoy that which they are willing to receive" (Doctrine and Covenants 88:32). It is related to the moon because although it does not give forth as much light as the sun (Celestial), it gives more light (when viewed from earth) than the stars (Telestial). Now this is the state of the But it is called a "kingdom" because nobody enters it without accepting Christ as their king by covenant. therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors" (Alma 34:32). Which is called terrestrial planet? well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection.". We just live in it. For behold, there is a wo pronounced upon him who listeth to obey that spirit; for that has the law given, yea, that has all the commandments of God, like unto us, and Additionally, Mormonism teaches that only those in the highest realm of the Celestial Kingdom will remain married and be able to form an eternal family. crowned with celestial glory, when I shall come in the kingdom of my Father to reward . Apostle Bruce R. McConkie didn't like the idea of progression from kingdom to kingdom at all and condemned it in an address as a "deadly heresy" (https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/bruce-r-mcconkie/seven-deadly-heresies/) but I don't know that his one talk negates everything else said by prophets and apostles who preceded him. Elsewhere: the world we now live is telestial. Mormonism also teaches that since not all people have the opportunity to marry in this life, opportunity will be given them during Christ's millennial reign after His Second Coming. Why does God ask us to participate in our our salvation and in our own exaltation, even though our piddly little efforts, in comparison to what He and His Son already have done for us, aren't worth a fig? Mosiah 16:10-11 - Even this mortal shall put on immortality, and this corruption You may get where someone ahead of you was before, but they will always be ahead of you. Each community will have 3 mayors, known as "The Elect", though they will not be elected, but rather will be chosen by pillars of fire that appear in front of their domiciles. [D&C 76:78-81]. 6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. . The telestial kingdom is the lowest of the three degrees or kingdoms of glory in heaven. Obviously none of us want to go there but I am curious. time of preparation is also called the probationary period (Alma 5:31; 12:24-26; 2, Dec 1919, p 165). Christ came, in their ignorance, not having salvation declared unto them. If we don't want it, He's not going to force it upon us. damnation to his own soul; for he receiveth for his wages an everlasting punishment, What are the 9 circles of heaven? hath redeemed none such; yea, neither can the Lord redeem such; for he cannot deny 3 However, the account of the vision explained that the glory of the telestial kingdom still "surpasses all understanding" and is comparable to that of the stars. The celestial kingdom is the place prepared for those who have received the testimony of Jesus and been made perfect through Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, who wrought out this perfect atonement through the shedding of his own blood (Doctrine and Covenants 76:51, 69). All inhabitants are resurrected to perfect eternal bodies (also 1 Cor 15:40) which means that: It is Salvation. 113 This is the end of the vision which we saw, which we were commanded to write while we were yet in the Spirit. At times when the veil is thin, we can see the spirits in the Spirit World through the veil. In the Terrestrial kingdom people will live in large dwellings with triangular shaped doors. I've heard that it is like West Virginia. Entrance into each kingdom depends on a person's worthiness and his adherence to the commandments of God and the ordinances He has prescribed. 115 Which he commanded us we should not write while we were yet in the Spirit, and are not lawful for man to utter; (D&C 76). Doctrine and Covenants 63:17 is a reference to liars, whoremongers, and sorcerers being New King James Version It will one day be "resurrected" to a Celestial glory. that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world. If the same spirit that possesses a person in mortality possesses him in the hereafter, isn't that a clue? If we live a higher law, we will receive a higher kingdom. One of my BYU religion professors (admittedly, not always the best source of doctrine) was fond of saying that what makes the (celestial, terrestrial, telestial) kingdom the (c, t, t) kingdom is the people you are with and the kinds of relationships you can have with them. approve of the practice; he merely says that if there is no resurrection, why would the custom take place? People who are sent to the Telestial Kingdom will be the last to be resurrected and cannot dwell where God and Christ live. Since God is the ultimate judge, all people will be judged fairly and awarded the kingdom where they will be most happy and comfortable. evil-If they be good, to the resurrection of endless life and happiness; and if they Some of the early Church leaders, including Brigham Young and Wilford Woodruff, believed it was likely possible that the inheritors of the lower post-resurrection kingdoms of glory would eventually be able to obtain celestial glory. 4 Those who inhabit the telestial kingdom are "as innumerable as the stars in the firmament of heaven, or as the sand upon the sea shore." 5 See also " Celestial kingdom " and " I'll quote some of the passages I found. For Well, happier than people here are anyways. sins; yea, even all those that have perished in their sins ever since the world began, So I tell them that they need to be a law-abiding citizen, wherever they live, if they want to endure the return of our Lord. And remember that the text of Doctrine and Covenants 76 tells us it doesnot providethe last word when it comes to theplan of salvation and the heavenlyglories that lie in futurity. There is an outcast demon that belongs to this world who fancies himself aself-appointed God - but he is no God. My understanding is that the general laws of this fallenearth currently only sustain mortalityand telestial glory, butas a celestial world will someday sustain eternal life,exaltation and glory. The telestial kingdom is a place of glory. shall put on incorruption, and shall be brought to stand before the bar of God, to At least that is what some Mormons happends to believe. We've had the endowment now for around 175 years explaining that this earth we now live on is the telestial kingdom/ telestial world (same language as found in D&C section 76) and yet, besides what is taught inside the . 2012. These are they who are thrust down to hell. That at least gives them a clue of how good they should be. No, no. their bands made strong, that they may be burned with unquenchable fire". "Therefore, I must gather together my people, according to the parable of the wheat and We are taught (primarily by non-doctrinal sources such as Mormon Doctrine) that everyone on earth lives in a telestial state. :O) Thanks for your reply. That's why God forgives whom He will forgive, but we are commanded to forgive everyone (see Doctrine and Covenants 64:10) and why we're encouraged to consider the measuring instruments we use to judge our fellow men and women (see Matthew 7:2 in the Holy Bible). The necessity of making covenants and receiving ordinances in the flesh is the reason Mormons practice Baptism for the Dead, eternal marriage, and sealing covenants for the dead in their temples. The goal of this Church is to prepare people for eternal glory in the Celestial Kingdom. Those in this kingdom will dwell forever in the presence of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. You are a child of a person who is the kind of being we refer to asGod, ergo, you now have the potential to become like him (orher) because you are already that same kind of being. Mosiah 15:22-27 - "And now, the resurrection of all the prophets, and all those that But what does it mean when it says the telestial " shall be heirs of salvation" through the administering of angels? Everything we know is a telestial existence. Take those that were wicked designedly, who knowingly lived without the Gospel when it was within their reach, they are given up to the devil, they become tools to the devil and spirits of devils" (JD 3:370). ), their perspective and understanding will grow and they will see what they are missing out on by choosing to live the laws that qualify them only for the Telestial or Terrestrial kingdoms.